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Legs to stand on- how many legs do you need in retirement?

March 4th, 2007 at 08:36 am

The best retirement "plans", from a financial perspective, are the ones with flexibility. Flexibility comes from account types (and the rules/ advantages of those accounts).

Each account type could be considered "a leg to stand on". The more legs you have, the better.

Every US citizen has the basic leg of social security. The worst case is your retirement savings has only one leg. I consider Social Security to be a "bond like conservative investment". This allows me to invest other areas more aggressively (and take on risk) because I know I have this one leg to fall back on.

The next most common leg is a 401k. The "rules" of the 401k suggest that the withdraws will be taxable. For my wife and I, this means this leg is taxed at 25% or 28% federal tax bracket. Ohio will take some more, we get whats left.

If someone has a pension, that is another leg. I do not have a pension, if I did, I would look at it similar to Social security. It's a conservative tool, so other investments should be more aggressive.

Roth IRAs are another leg to stand on. The rules/advantages of a Roth IRA suggest that qualified withdraws are tax free (YEAH!). Meaning whatever is taken out will not get taxed at all. The more a person can rely on the Roth, IMO, the better. The primary issue here is the only way to get a Roth is to save the money yourself. The above mentioned legs (SS, pension, 401k) get contributions from companies and the government... a Roth needs to funded by the individual which wants to use it.

Annuities are another leg. I see value in supplementing social security with more GUARANTEED income. An annuity is something you "buy" from a life insurance salesman. It is best, IMO, if a person buys an immediate annuity when they retire (and not invest in a variable annuity for 30+ years with high costs). Variable annuities are probably one of worst investments around (for retirement planning), but immediate annuities clearly have a place if someone wants to reduce the risk of running out of assets during their lifetime (the advantage of the right annuity contract would be an income stream for life, none of the other legs, except social security, can offer this feature).

Taxable accounts. If a Roth IRA is maxed ($4000/year for 2007; $5000 a year starting in 2008), a person could invest additional money in a taxable account. Gains in this account would be taxed at 10%/15% long term capital gains rates. This is a lower tax rate than the 401k plan.

The goal is to create as many legs as possible.

Other legs not mentioned including being debt free, owning house (not having a mortgage) and being in good health.

The priority of each leg depends on tax bracket now, tax bracket in retirement, how long you expect to live, and how much money you want to pass onto your kids.

12 Responses to “Legs to stand on- how many legs do you need in retirement?”

  1. scfr Says:

    One other leg: Home equity to be used for a reverse mortgage. I definitely do NOT plan on using this one, but since so many people have so much of their net worth tied up in their homes, for many people there will be no choice but to have a reverse mortgage.

  2. Ima saver Says:

    Another very informative post! We have no pension, no 401's. We do have IRA's, mutual funds, stocks and savings.

  3. Ima saver Says:

    OH and our house is paid for also.

  4. jIM_Ohio Says:

    but you didn't mention your health? LOL.

  5. nance Says:

    Julie, have you and DH looked into HSA's for Health coverage? If something happeded to him on the job and he was hospitalized for a while, that could mean financial disaster. You might be able to "get by" for a few years until Medicare kicks in, but if he isn't eligible for about ten years, you are taking a huge risk if you don't have any medical coverage. I seem to recall you saying in a former post that you don't.

  6. jIM_Ohio Says:

    I should have added long term care and health coverage as more legs to stand on.

  7. Nic Says:

    jIM,thanks for a very well written post. Lots of good info!Smile

  8. Aleta Says:

    I think that most people are insuranced out. Excuse me but I live in the state of Florida and the last thing we want to hear about is another insurance. We're having real problems down here with windstorm coverage and property taxes.

  9. baselle Says:

    Great post - I definitely think that you need more than just the three legs that the mainstream media talk about (SS, pension, 401K and equivalent). Have to think centipede rather than tripod.

    Another leg to consider is part time work/small business, at least in the early stages of retirement. Hopefully it wouldn't be needed as a serious money stream but a mental satisfaction & engagement stream. I would imagine that the jolt from 40-50 hrs/week to 0 hrs/week is a massive one that some don't get over. Won't want to be the American version of the Japanese "wet leaf".

  10. dickyvman Says:

    Some posts I am creating or would like to create are:
    1) Savings bonds
    2) Rental property
    3) Maybe even a small coffee shop! Smile

  11. jIM_Ohio Says:

    interesting thought... owning your own business creates another leg, and also probably increases the need for as many posts as possible.

  12. scfr Says:

    baselle - I love the idea of "thinking centipede" --- What a great concept!

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